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Post by Lion Boss on Jan 16, 2009 9:53:32 GMT -5
There are a couple of things to consider here about larger sizes. I want you guys to think of it as you would in humans. Let's look at pro-wrestling, they got big guys there.
Hulk Hogan and The Rock, famous guys. Both are incredibly fit and buff. They weight between 250 and 300 lbs. It's true that you get guys over 400, over 500, and even over 600 lbs, but they are nothing but fat. It is a rare case to see a human over 400 lbs that's not a roll of fat. One such rare case is Dalip Singh, an Indian bodybuilder that's over 7' tall and 430 lbs. But that's a VERY rare case.
Big cats are the same way. Most healty, fully grown and normal sized animals are 400-500 lbs. Both lion and tiger are in that range. Sure, there are cases in captivity of up to 800 lbs, but that's just a walking sack of fat. Hardly counts for anything.
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Post by bigcats on Jan 16, 2009 22:31:45 GMT -5
There are a couple of things to consider here about larger sizes. I want you guys to think of it as you would in humans. Let's look at pro-wrestling, they got big guys there. Hulk Hogan and The Rock, famous guys. Both are incredibly fit and buff. They weight between 250 and 300 lbs. It's true that you get guys over 400, over 500, and even over 600 lbs, but they are nothing but fat. It is a rare case to see a human over 400 lbs that's not a roll of fat. One such rare case is Dalip Singh, an Indian bodybuilder that's over 7' tall and 430 lbs. But that's a VERY rare case. Big cats are the same way. Most healty, fully grown and normal sized animals are 400-500 lbs. Both lion and tiger are in that range. Sure, there are cases in captivity of up to 800 lbs, but that's just a walking sack of fat. Hardly counts for anything. Mostly i agree with you that most 800 lb cats are usually fat, but i would not say they are all fat. This Amur tiger is not what i would call fat, but he apparently weighs around 800 lb, however, i'm not certain how credible the info is regarding his weight. The reason i think this Amur (in first photo) might be 800 lb is because.....the second photo is a Amur that i often visited, and he was weighed at 611 lb by his keeper that i used to work with at another zoo (he is very reliable) he is also in the second photo and he is 5-10 tall. If we consider the second photo shows an Amur over 600 lb, and by comparing him to the first photo....i would say the first Amur might be 800 lb as the info said.
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Post by Lion Boss on Jan 22, 2009 10:09:00 GMT -5
The first photo shows an old man for scale. Most people of that generation were not tall. 5'5 is likely.
In any case, it's irrelivant. Siberian tigers aren't super buff at that size. Common sense has to prevail here. They live in Siberia vs lions living in Africa. Siberian tigers HAVE to have a larger percentage of fat to SURVIVE the cold. That's just a simple fact of life.
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Post by bigcats on Jan 22, 2009 15:43:34 GMT -5
The first photo shows an old man for scale. Most people of that generation were not tall. 5'5 is likely. In any case, it's irrelivant. Siberian tigers aren't super buff at that size. Common sense has to prevail here. They live in Siberia vs lions living in Africa. Siberian tigers HAVE to have a larger percentage of fat to SURVIVE the cold. That's just a simple fact of life. Even at 5-5, the first tiger looks larger than the second, but the first tiger is not fat looking, he even looks less fat than the second tiger (not that im saying the second tiger is fat either) Yes, Amurs carry more fat than lions to keep warm with them living in Primorye and Khabarovsk (not Siberia)
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Post by Kefír on Jan 22, 2009 20:46:49 GMT -5
Students’ Británica India by Dale Hoiberg, Indu Ramchandani I sent a message to David Prynn once. Look what he said:
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Post by Kefír on Jan 22, 2009 20:52:27 GMT -5
Tigers By Lynn M. Stone. pag-10. Sumatran tiger is smaller than I believed...
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Post by boldchamp on Feb 11, 2009 17:45:26 GMT -5
...kefir, that source upon siberian tigers does not reflect actial records, which show the animals in the flesh to weigh much less than 650 lbs, and closer to 400.
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Post by MellivoraCapensis42 on Dec 29, 2010 18:14:13 GMT -5
Hey, great photos! And welcome to the boards! I gotta say, I've been tempted many times in my life to go into that line of work. Being around big cats all day, it's gotta be a thrill! I'm from Arizona and we have a small park called "Out Of Africa" near Phoenix. This is where I got the closest to these cats. Just a couple of feet away and fence between us! Feeding Hunter, a 650 lbs Siberian tiger, was perhaps the most humbling experience of my life! I'll post a photo of that here sometime. At 6'2 it's not often that I look up to somebody, but that cat was towering over me on his hind legs! Simply breathtaking. Something else I found interesting. On our tour I saw the strangest thing, a tiger in with the a few lions in the same enclosure. I questioned the zoo keeper and he told me that the big male lion actually accpted the tiger into his pride. They weren't cubs when they met either. I found that interesting, a tiger assimiliated into a lion pride. Looked great though! Anyway, since you have so much interatction with these cats, can you give us some first-hand accounts of behaviour? Are male lions troublemakers? A lot of animal trainers have been quoted in saying that. Hmmm. Interesting. What if several nomadic lions formed a coalition that included several wild tigers? That would be an interesting group to pit against large prey items!
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