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Post by Panthera on Nov 3, 2008 23:49:07 GMT -5
Both around 600lbs.
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Post by Lion Boss on Nov 4, 2008 17:34:23 GMT -5
You would be hard pressed to find a Siberian Tiger in the wild that's 600 lbs. That's another tiger myth that modern research has nullified. A health wild Siberian tiger is lucky to get to 500 lbs, at best.
As for the topic. When you talk about cat vs bear of similar size, my money is on the cat. The tiger is one of the most perfect killing machines in the world. Unless a bear has a heafty size advantage it'll stand little chance. The bear will be treated as food, plain and simple.
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Post by Panthera on Nov 4, 2008 18:42:33 GMT -5
You would be hard pressed to find a Siberian Tiger in the wild that's 600 lbs. That's another tiger myth that modern research has nullified. A health wild Siberian tiger is lucky to get to 500 lbs, at best. As for the topic. When you talk about cat vs bear of similar size, my money is on the cat. The tiger is one of the most perfect killing machines in the world. Unless a bear has a heafty size advantage it'll stand little chance. The bear will be treated as food, plain and simple. These tigers are just off by 5lbs:  Though I do agree with you amur tigers aren't going to get as large as they used to be. Due to the fact that they're prey isn't as numerous as they used to be and they're prey isn't really that "large". Red deer max out at 1093lbs and I'm sure they don't hit that weight all too often and the largest a wild boar can get is 660lbs. |
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Post by Lion Boss on Nov 4, 2008 19:05:15 GMT -5
How old is that book? How credible is that book? Modern Siberian tiger research couldn't even find one over 500 lbs.  |
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Post by Panthera on Nov 4, 2008 23:49:15 GMT -5
How old is that book? How credible is that book? Modern Siberian tiger research couldn't even find one over 500 lbs. 6 yrs. The author Mel Sunquist is a renowned expert on felines. Ph.d. So I'd consider him damn credible. www.wec.ufl.edu/faculty/sunquistm/ |
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Post by Lion Boss on Nov 5, 2008 9:34:17 GMT -5
I would simply love to know where he's getting the 325 kg figure from. The Siberian Tiger project hasn't been able to varify that high of a measurement, not even close.
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Post by ash on Jan 15, 2009 11:34:43 GMT -5
How old is that book? How credible is that book? Modern Siberian tiger research couldn't even find one over 500 lbs. 6 yrs. The author Mel Sunquist is a renowned expert on felines. Ph.d. So I'd consider him damn credible. www.wec.ufl.edu/faculty/sunquistm/The ''Siberian Tiger Project'' is one of the only, I daresay ONLY legitimate ongoing project and study that moniters the health of the CURRENT siberian tiger population. And the results are this; they aren't as large as before. Along with other studies: (Luo, S. J.; et al. (2004). "Phylogeography and Genetic Ancestry of Tigers (Panthera tigris)".) that suggest there is low genetic variability among tigers. Low genetic variability can cause the genes of big tigers to be diminished or lost. And low genetic variability can result from inbreeding(its highly possible since tigers live far apart and are not social animals, they will depart from their siblings and mothers). Inbreeding of course results in smaller and weaker tigers. There's an overwhelming amount of sources that suggest siberian tiger's are the largest modern day cat's, including the one you mentioned earlier on your previous post. But do you expect every source, be it websites or books regarding siberian tigers to be altered the minute good evidence is presented? No, there's usually a two year or more lag in the collection of rankings and the actually publishing. And old books like encyclopedia will not be altered, instead new books will be published. Defunct websites similarly will not alter the weights. So my point is, there could be hard scientific evidence circulating around that asserts something that is in opposition or contradictory to popular notion but this scientific evidence could take years, and in the case of the "Flat earth" notion, it took DECADES for it to surface among the general public. |
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Post by boldchamp on Feb 13, 2009 8:16:02 GMT -5
..........those weights given by sunquist were records which he had gotten from the book "mammals of the soviet union"......and, while they are of actual records, they come from different authorities, and the chances of one authority reporting only large specimens, given the limited number of specimens mentioned, is high.......most other records of wild siberian tigers (and, i have roughly 30, including those given by sunquist) indicate they are most often under 500 lbs, and closer to 400.
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